Wednesday, 28 October 2015

Bookie Club Meet: Fates and Furies by Lauren Groff

Hi guys! I suggested this book because it has a LOT of buzz, and now I get it. TOTALLY get it. Let's discuss!


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  1. I'm excited about this book club!

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  2. Okay. I started this book a little eye-rolly, thinking how weird it was. It kept me interested enough, I mean it got better as it went along, but by the time "Furies" started I was hooked! Line AND sinker. It absolutely turned brilliant.

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    1. There were really two parts that I liked about the first half, Fates:

      1) I liked that Lotto was a giant slut

      2) I love that they gave us the perspective of our main characters from other people

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    2. I liked how the "friends" were woven in the story in Fates.

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    3. Yes, it felt like each chapter we were getting deeper and deeper into the story, another layer being unveiled

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  3. Ahem. This is on my to-do list! Whoopsie.

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    1. You've got to read it! It's so good! I was not convinced until I got a ways into it.

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    2. I started but kept falling asleep! So put it on the backburner, will pick it up again though

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    3. Man, Veronica, when Mathilde gave her testimonial on how to handle her MIL, the hair stood up on the back of my neck and I thought of you!

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    4. I promise you you will wake up once you hit Furies!

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  4. Mathilde was a psychopathic nightmare

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    1. Terrifying and awe-inspiring all at the same time. What Amazing Amy aspired to but did not achieve

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    2. Not even close to as bad as Amazing Amy though. Lol

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    3. Because ultimately, she had redeeming qualities.

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    4. The difference being that Lotto was hers to protect. She never fought against him, only for

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    5. She totally pushed her baby brother down the stairs because she hated the attention he got. And later learned to be more subtle

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    6. But she gave Chollie and Land a break in the end. She couldn't be that cold. Also, she changed her mind anout telling Lotto to visit Muvva and then it was too late. Not a total scumbag.

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    7. I don't think she was a scumbag at all; she did very well for herself coming from nothing. She was mercenary. I just wonder about that passage about the little girl climbing the snow bank and how such a small seed can cause everything to go askew in adulthood as it magnifies. She was only 4 when her brother fell; what if it had been handled differently?

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    8. And she changed her mind about Muvva but I don't know. I don't know if she would have gone. She needed the adversary

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    9. I feel like the end scene about the brother implies her cousin made it up or saw it wrong and that she was "still just a baby herself", so it wasn't her fault. Not that I agree mind.

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    10. I feel as though revealing just at the end that someone saw was the final layer of that part of the story. And she shied away from accepting that responsibility. But I think she did it. That woman was a force to be reckoned with

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  5. I felt like Chollie was one of my favourite characters, because he was one of the few that saw the anaconda in Mathilde

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    1. Chollie was a great character

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    2. Mathilde took away his wife as she felt he took away her spouse, but at the end of the day decided to take her dick off the table and not murder him entirely, because Lotto had loved him

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    3. And also for Land I believe.

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    4. I think she would have given Lotto the child he wanted so badly if she didn't think she would posion the well. I was very glad Lotto lived on and I can't say why. She really was more interesting but he was all charisma and I loved his openess just a tiny bit more than her coiled depths

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    5. Yes she knew better than to have a child with her dna. She was wicked smaht.

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    6. She really was. And completely emotionally isolated from a very young age. I loved that she actually loved Lotto, although he was just part of a plan at first

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  6. Okay. I catch little things, but it was said Muvva (what's up with that anyway?) Was 35 when she met her hubs and had Lotto. That put her at 48 when she had Rachel. Ummm?

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    1. Was that a childhood mispronunciation, maybe? Good catch! I guess so?

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    2. I guess? Or maybe local? Not sure.

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    3. It freaked me out because I kept reading it as Vulva

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    4. Ha! Rhymes with A lady part! #Seinfeld

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    5. You put two Vs and a U and a A in one word and I cannot be held responsible for what my eyes see!

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  7. I also thought it was interesting that Mathilde's writing and work could not stand alone. Lotto's work was so polished and edited by her that I expected that hers would be the same, but she didn't have his force of personality. Together they were unstoppable, but separtate, she was an editor trying to write and that doesn't work

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    1. I also found that interesting. You summed up my feelings nicely.

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  8. I thought it was a cool twist that we find out Mathilde is the more interesting person. Not expecting that at all.

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    1. We were also told that Lotto was the more interesting one on page one, so there is that. I thought it was cool that she WASN'T just some pure saint: her life was MUCH more interesting. Ultimately tragic, but much more interesting

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  9. Essentially, I thought the book was Nature (Fate) vs Nurture (Furies)

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    1. Ohhhhh! Nice. Maybe so. Very interesting.

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  10. What did you think of Ariel?

    The professor?

    Gwennie?

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    1. Ariel was creepy AF. I spent far too long working it out before I realized it was a man, not a woman

      The professor Denton Thrasher? The one that "took the pal worm" into his mouth because Lotto wouldn't stop crying? Straight up predator

      Gwennie wasn't fleshed out at all. The paragraph at the end was what Mathilde imagined, and while it sounds plausible: the source was sour

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    2. Jesus god, me too about me thinking he was a woman until Furies! I thought "he" was cool until then too. Nope.

      That scene had me straight up Oh no no no no no.

      Totally agree. Poor Gwennie. I just supposed she was depressed about giving up her baby and having no support, while also being beaten down by Muvva.

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    3. I totally knew Roland was Lotto's son right away, he was written differently than any other fan, and I also think Mathilde sensed it and that's why she slept with him

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    4. I was not using my Spidey sense with that! But looking back, I also remember feeling he was written "special".

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    5. I knew it, and it STILL took my breath away, lol. Mathilde did that a LOT. She was so shocking and mercenary and complete

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  11. It was such an interesting book, and beautifully written, even with the [bracketed asides] that made me grit my teeth even as I enjoyed them. Two complicated anti-heros and just so complex. Loved it

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    1. I ended up loving it too. Very much. Who knew.

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    2. And also sex positive without being fecking weird. Woo hoo!

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    3. Because some of the other sex-drenched books...WEIRD

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    4. I love how he thought she was a virgin because she had to wait for her contract to end and she had just had her period when they finally did! Lol

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    5. And she just let him believe....I had a little bit of trouble with that, because he based everything he thought and felt about her on that purity. Which SO MANY men do. So it really knocked him for a loop when he found out

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    6. But at his end he realized it didn't matter one whit.

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    7. I actually thought he committed suicide with all the trippy swimming talk

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    8. But no, aneurysm like his daddeh

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    9. Yep.

      I liked the sex scene between Mathilde and detective too. Very honest, very real. Yeah, she came, but nope, not that interested in women.

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    10. I thought the detective might end up being Somebody too, you know?

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    11. I think Mathilde slept with her because she admired the detective for her work. And that was what th detective wanted

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    12. Plus she was just straight up hornay, and up for anything. She just realized she wasn't into girl on girl.

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    13. All those wasted years! One the one peen! That's also how I took that

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    14. I took it as an action of grief; all the sex....

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    15. I think that was a huge part of it; the sense of loss of having kept herself just for him for so long and now he was gone and that was part of dealing with that loss and anger

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  12. I love that Antoinette (Muvva) was a mermaid! Lol

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    1. And it summed her up perfectly! The more langourous you look, the harder it is!

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  13. I'm so glad you suggested this wonderful book!

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    1. I'm so glad it wasn't Girl On A Train! Which I know most people really liked, so no T no shade no pink lemonade, but I was worried! Lotta buzz can be a good thing, or...

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    2. It could have gone either way! So glad it went this way. Hope Veronica and Charlie get to it!

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  14. Oh! I meant to say! I totally imagined Robin Wright as Mathilde the whole time!

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    1. Lol did you?? That makes total sense! The freckles, the height, the bone structure, good call! I could see a young Jack Nicholson for Lotto

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    2. I could not get a good mental picture of Lotto at all. Definitely not Jack in my head though.

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    3. I can definitely see Buttercup now that you've said it. I had the woman who's pic I put up as Madeline in Big Little Lies in my head the whole time

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    4. Plus she cold and calculating like Claire!

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    5. Yaaasss! As soonas you said it I could see her, threatening that woman with withering her bebeh away

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  15. Thanks for book meeting with me, Reno! Next one up for debate?

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    1. What's the choices? Just anything, free for all?

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    2. I am reading A Brief History of Seven Killings by Marlon James right now, that was the one I posted about a little while ago, and then there's the new Lauren Weisberger, anything out you wanna take a run at with a group?

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    3. We did a Literature book so we're good to read something fun! We just lucked out that this one was fun too

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    4. Oh! Also I wouldn't mind the new Weiner one either. Still haven't read. Either one would work.

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    5. Wasn't Who Do You Love? Jennifer Wiener's latest?

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    6. Dammit with the i before e

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    7. I do have to say that the book A Brief History of Seven Killings is also very compelling. I kept reading it when I was supposed to read Fates and Furies

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    8. Well I could read that too, sure!

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    9. It's very long, though, almost 700 pages. So Lauren Weisberger and then maybe we'll look at that one? Lotta patois and different writing styles and shocking but still very compelling

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  16. I could do the Weisberger one!

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